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It would be a track from the soundtrack ^^ The theme piece, I suppose. A clip from it is used on the official site for the game.

Editted the post to include a link to a download of it.

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No.

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Alrighty then.

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I hate metroid gameplay, and refuse to play any new metroid games, but I love its music, if that's any consolation? I can't think of any games I rejected for plot reasons that had cool soundtracks, although I was in love with the Shadow soundtrack long before I decided that the game would be worth my time. Then I, desperate for something to cling to, gave it a try, and it was far better than I ever expected.

Not saying you should try Sonic Next Gen. Even I am leery of Sonic Next Gen. It sounds like they took "Hey, let's retcon the Robotnik characters' (including Shadow's) backstory to give it more importance!" a little bit too far. Plus, it sounds like Sonic is hooking up with Elise, whileI was rooting Eggman/Elise... I ship Sonic with a certain OTHER redhead... Plus, acknowledging any sort of lovey-doveyness with Sonic is kinda a no-no. Sonic represents true freedom, he doesn't get attached.

And can't Eggman have any love? I mean, he's not even that old, and he's not that obese anymore. I daresay he's even kinda attractive now, now that his arms and legs have been given definition. And maybe if he had some lovin' he'd stop trying to take over the world!

sorry for rambling. I just woke up from a nap.

... Really, though, I just want to know if Shadow the Hedgehog is considered canon. And if it's not.... THEN HEADS WILL ROLL!

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XD You're awesome, Bre.

And, total agree on "Plus, acknowledging any sort of lovey-doveyness with Sonic is kinda a no-no. Sonic represents true freedom, he doesn't get attached." Right on. The Sonic/Elise thing bugs me no end :\

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I mean, I'm gonna wait to see how it plays out. If Sonic is all, "Hmm. She's kinda cute. Maybe, one day, if I settle down, I could do it here. The keyword there is if," That would be fine by me. Sonic is "human"; he's entitled to have romantic and sexual feelings. But if he gets all sad and piney for her as anything but just a friend, and it LASTS, I'll be pissed. For me, Sonic becoming attached or obbsessed represents a failure to him. It means that he's let go of what makes him so unique partly, that he's ceded control of his life to the world by failing to control his own perspectives.

That's why I love Shadow so much, becuase it happens to a degree in there. First Sonic obbsesses over saving the world from the aliens, and gets upset when he actually has trouble. That is great becuase it represents the best in Sonic, the one thing that takes priority over his whims--the fate and happiness of others. But in the dark paths he seems to get a little weepy over Shadow--and it seems to be non-canon. Becuase it's non-canon, I can enjoy it, I can endulge--even heroes fail sometimes. But if that were to be canon for more than a split second (I mean, if Sonic didn't rebound from an attitude like that in a few moments), then the series would be over, probably officially and at the very least in my heart.

Archie's Sonic is different, so he's another story, but Archie is FUBAR by my reckoning for OTHER reasons.

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I don't equate Sonic getting attached with a loss of freedom, persay... and I'm all for it if it's done right within the fandom, cuz to me, Sonic isn't this total flakey loner the past few years have made him out to be. But see, that's my personal take on the guy. Which is exactly what we should all be allowed to have! When they force a pairing down our throats, we lose the freedom of imagination and interpretation. We don't get to decide for ourselves so easily how we view Sonic the way we've been able to for 15+ years.

If Sonic pulls a James Bond and lets this stay in the past, I think I could live with it, cuz then some of us can imagine it never happened, and others can write fanfics about him and Elise finding each other again in the future. Give us that freedom, SEGA, please! You've done enough damage already.

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I guess... right now I'm going through a period where I feel trapped. Sonic... always represents what I aspire to. Right now, that's freedom from my tendency to get attached to people. So in him I seek that, I guess.

As for the flakey loner bit... I don't see him as a flakey loner. I see him as someone of the ultimate responsibility, unwilling to let something like an attachment get in the way of what's right. He is the master of his own feelings... He gets attached, but it's a flexible attachment, one that doesn't breed loneliness or intensely missing someone unless it's been a really long time. That's my perception of SegaSonic. That's what gets me through the hard times.

In fanfiction I usually have him get attaached, but I like to cover all facets of a character.

And if I want TiedDown!Sonic, I go to Archie. Oh yeah.

But yeah, everyone has their own thing. I wouldn't mind if they did some Sonlise teasing, I guess, but they can't make it canon on his end or it gets icky. Hers is fine. She seems all piney anyway, and I've heard people compare her to Sally...

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First of all, anyone who compares Elise to Sally has obviously no concept of Sally's character. XD Elise is your basic DiD girl, sweet and innocent, where as Sally may have been a princess, but (at least in SatAM) didn't at all act the part. She's a tough, competant leader, more like a general than a princess. Recent Archie comic aside, there is absolutely no comparrison between the two characters other than royal status and their would-be relationships with Sonic. XD Not to say either character is bad, just not comparable.

Anyway, the point of my comment was just to say that SEGA should continue to let the fans view Sonic in their own way. You have your way, I have mine, and that's what has made it great! Like you said, your interpretation gets you through the hard times. Now suddenly SEGA wants to throw canon pairing into the mix, something they've never done before, and it definitely has an impact on our perceptions. I think pairings should be left as speculation and subtext in the Sonicverse, it keeps everyone happy.

All I'm saying is that I hope this Elise romance is a one game thing, and that Sonic will move on from here. That way, people who support the pairing can speculate he still thinks about her, and those who don't can act like it never happened.

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Although Elise is definately the DiD type, I got the impression that she's slightly more than that. The whole crying angle I've heard about and her rulership seem to imply that she is a woman of strong character, and a relatively strong leader, or at least as much of one as a relatively ceremonial leader needs to be. As I recall, Sally was also portrayed as a young woman who was a strong, benevolent, and powerful ruler. The real difference was that Sally was the head of a government-in-exhile and was engaged in a war, whereas Elise seems to be a princess who has lived as a princess her whole life. Those circumstances would make all the difference, would they not? I'm not saying that I completely buy the comparison; I haven't even played next-gen yet. I'm just saying that I understand why it is there. Hell... I always wished Sega would use Sally. Maybe if they make Elise a strong enough character I'll feel like my wish came true.

That Elise is likely physically incapable of defending herself really shouldn't be judged that harshly, though. After all, she's a human character, and there are only two humans in the entire Segasonic universe who have shown any kind of personal combat prowess... and both of them were old men who use robots. The human military of the universe is no match for a single hedgehog, after all. Elise can't be expected to defend herself any more than a human male her age could ("Please, spare me...").

So unless she's very annoying about being rescued and such, Elise isn't much more of a DiD than, say, the president in Shadow the Hedgehog :p I mean, she can't be blamed for her species. It's different with furry characters, though, particularly Amy. Amy has displayed time and time again that she is one of the most competant characters in the gameverse (rescuing Sonic in SA2, for example) yet she readily gets kidnapped and almost always walks into it. As a feminist, one day I want to see her club the crap out of Eggman with that damned mallet. Or better yet, I want Sonic to get kidnapped and her to save him.

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Don't get me wrong, I'm sure Elise is strong in her own right, and probably very brave considering the circumstances. It may also be that, like you say, she's a strong, competant ruler. All of these things may be true and I'm not trying to dispute them. All I'm saying is that she's not the same sort of character as Sally. Like you said yourself, the circumstances they live in make them different people. I've always seen Sally as more of a tom-boy. That doesn't mean that a more feminine girl can't be just as strong, just that Elise definitely has more feminine manerisms and characteristics. I don't see her being out on in the field barking orders to a troop of rebels.

Let's say Sally is more Princess Leia and Elise is Queen Amidala. Both strong royal females, just in different ways.

ugh... then again Amidala was also Padme... who was more like Leia... nevermind. XD Maybe Elise dawns combat clothing from time to time and totes a pulse rifle... who knows?

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I'm just more happy that Sega is using a female leader and showing gender equality among humans (women and men equally helpless) than I am upset that Elise looks like a DiD. and I'm hoping to be able to make an accurate and enriching Sally/Elise comparison for my own perosnal internal consistency.

BTW... I added you, if that's okay. ^^*

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Oh female leadership all the way! Gender equality in video games is few and far between. I loved that about SatAM and Archie... until Archie decided to be sexist, made Sally's brother King and the more important leader, and made Sally's sole purpose to be about loving Sonic/not-loving-Sonic/loving Sonic. x.o; Ugh.

And yeah ^^ fine by me.

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I third that. ^^ But then, I think that no one pairing should be shipped seriously. Not like "OMG KNUXROUGE IS THE ONLY WAY TO GO", because where does that leave the KnuxJulie-su supporters? Or the ShadRouge supporters?

But Sonic especially. That vid that you found with Sonic and Elise... Luckily it was her, not him. Otherwise, that would have just broken my heart. Sonic just stood up and said "Cool, time to save the world now!", which is exactly what should have happened. ^^

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Roumega! =D *BRICK'D*

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That pairing is strangely intriguing...

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But of course not! Music and everything else is apples and oranges compared to the gameplay and everything else!

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Okay ^^ I just feel like a dirty hypocrite, because I'm so deadset against the game in all other respects, but I'm digging the music ^^;

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'Tis very good music... *Updates MySpace Page with it*

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:D Awesome!!

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McGee: Yes, You are a terrible, terrible hypocrite and must atone by taking Jei out to dinner for such a grave sin. ^o~___no^

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That doesn't sound too bad o.o I just have to find about £20 for the meal... and £600 for the airfare ^^; This might prove to be an expensive dinner.

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McGee: Just call out for cheesy fries, then.

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sorry, but I can't quite see why you are bothered with that, or even ask that qeustion to begin with. o.o

I mean, I don't like tomatoes..pizza has a lot of tomatoes in it, though I like pizza.
Surely I must be a hypocrit now.

Same goes the other way around, I like cheddar cheese.
But it doesn't mean I like cheese fondue!

You see, wheter you like one part of something, does not neccesarily mean you will like it as a whole.
There are enough games in which the music is a lot better then the game itself or the other way around, it's a bit silly to think your being a hypocrit because of that ^^;

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I guess. It's just that I try to distance myself as far as possible from all aspects of this game... yet I sit here playing the soundtrack music over and over on my computer XD; Oh well...

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...No. It doesn't. What's hipocritical is claiming that you dislike the Sonic Riders game and then sitting there watching your cousin play going "OMG OMG OMG THIS IS SO COOL DON'T MISS THAT TURN...!", which is what I did. ^^;

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Aww... hehe... I like Sonic Riders ^^ ... but I don't have the patience to get past Babylon Gardens, so I'm kinda stuck there indefinitely XD

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Zack beat the game, and I can guarantee... it wasn't that interesting. Definately NOT the best ending ever seen. ^^;

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Which reminds me; I'll be on IM in a sec. ^_~

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The gameplay, level design, character design etc all look amazing in this game, but someone let loose to me about what Elisea (Sp) does in the ending (Part of it anyway) and I'm like "SEGA, what have you done?"

It not only bugs me to end, I think it (May sound extreme but still) is kind of wrong too, I mean things like SonAmy are just little annoyances of mine, this is a whole new level atogether

I do think the story does sound at its worst though, now I've heard some more details about it, but still, I'm definatley gonna buy it just for the gameplay

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